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hey, that does it for us. we'll see you an hour from now at 10:00 p.m. for another edition of pierce 360. "piers morgan live" spotarts no "piers morgan live" spotarts no -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com this is "piers morgan live." welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. a 13-year-old girl goes into the hospital for her tonsils taken out and something goes horribly, horribly wrong and the hospital is fighting to keep her on life support. the woman that sits down with presidents, dictators and infamous, and tonight she's sitting down with me, barbara walters, who are the most fascinating people of 2013. speaking of fascinating, one woman could say never trust, an koulter, a prechristmas present. can't wait to catch up. i want to bring in the woman whose covered every big story for the past 60 years and she's
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not done yet despite announcing her retirement. every who is anybody talked to barbara walters and her ten most fascinating people of 2013 tomorrow an abc. i'm delighted to say the queen of television, how are you? >> oh, well, that's such a lovely introduction, i'm very well, thank you, piers. i'm here so i can reach out and pat you on the cheek. i just did it. sort of. wherever your cheek is. >> i wish i could feel your rather festive sweater, which looks splendid on my screen. >> i have a little santa claus. can you see him? i'm move him up. >> there he is. >> there he is. [ laughter ] >> it's a good time -- >> i suppose the obvious question to that, is it a white or black santa claus, given the controversy at the moment? >> you know, i find that so sad it's become a racial question. i mean, santa claus should be whatever kids imagined that
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santa claus is, and the fact it has racial over tones and we were discussing this on my own program, makes me sad. >> i completely agree with you, as always, barbara walters. let's turn to the obvious second question, which is why are you retiring? to me you're the preeminent interviewer in the world on television. why are you going? >> well, you have to go sometime. i mean, maybe you don't, but i want to go while people say what you just said to me, why are you going rather than is she still here? [ laughterlaug[ laughter ] it isn't that i interviewed everybody but every president since richard nixon. i interviewed almost every big movie star and i just felt it was time to go. now, when i leave, am i going to say i should have gone another week, another month? maybe. in my gut i feel it's time to
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go, and i look forward to not having to do homework, and not having to show up at a particular time. piers, you and i were talking and i'll give you my best advice and tell you you should never retire but it feels right to me. >> let's turn to the most fascinating list. it's a thing people look form ward to every year. you mix in politicians, celebrities, the odd rogue name. tell me about this year's list -- >> this is -- >> the entries -- >> this is our 21st year. i don't think there is any special that's been on this many years, and i began it because truthfully, i was tired of doing celebrities and movie stars, not that there is anything wrong with that but this gave us also an opportunity to do people in other fields. so this is the list of 2013. now the number one fascinating, we keep a secret. you'll have to tune in tomorrow
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night. we're on from 9:30 to 11:00 and before 11:00 you'll find out who the most fascinating are. i'll read you some names and you can tell me if you agree. miley cyrus and the tongue. >> i like miley cyrus -- >> i do, too. this is a girl who i interviewed five years ago. she was 16 years old and a cade and made that transformation now and she's a very big star and she's being criticized for being too suggestive, taking the clothes off, but i give her great credit for making that transformation. you know, she was engaged at 19, and she realized, you know what? i'm too young. and what we are finding with miley, she's trying to find where she fits, and who she is, and learn to be alone, and she's been surrounded by people, and she's a very big talent, and her last album was a huge success.
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so i really liked talking to her and seeing how she has changed in the five years since we spoke. that was fun for me. >> now where is barack obama on this list? no sign of the president or first lady. the fact you left them off the most fascinating list is quite telling because it comes on a day when obama's approval rating in a washington post abc news poll is more cat straf if i can -- >> i didn't know. >> everyone barbara doesn't find them fascinating any more. >> i don't interview the same person every month. we did the obamas for a special for an hour in december. the two of them together are the host charming. sure he could have been on the list but i would ask the same questions, and i thought they were people who were, if not the president, a little more interesting, what does this remind you of, quack?
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the duck dynasty. the head of the duck dynasty, uncle sy very original and fascinating and one of the top reality shows on the air. so, you know, the president of the united states, quack, the president of the united states -- [ laughter ] >> i cannot believe you're genuinely looking at me down the camera lens and telling me guys that hunt ducks are more fascinating than the president of the united states. >> i don't want to go down in history as having said that. >> let me ask you this. >> yeah. >> you interviewed every bth in my lifetime. why is obama facing so much opposition now? why is he struggling so much to really fulfill the great flame of ambition and excitement that he was elected on originally in 2009? >> you've touched on to the a degree. he made so many promises. we thought he was going to be -- i shouldn't say this at christmastime but the next
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messiah and the whole obamacare, the affordable health act, it just hasn't worked and he stumbled around on it and people feel disappointed because they expected more. it's very difficult when the expectations for you are very high. you're almost better off when they are low and rise and rise. his were very high and dropped. but you still have several years to go. what does he have, three years, piers? there will be a lot of changes, one thinks in that time. >> hilary clinton was your first ever winner in 1993. if she wins the presidency in 2016, that will be by my calculations 23 years after you first spotted her abilities. >> i have interviewed hillary clinton in the course of the ten most fascinating people three times. i've interviewed bill clinton three times. i've entinterviewed sarah palin
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three times. they have been on again and again. hillary clinton, we might be talking about the next president of the united states. this is a woman who has the ability to change and to grow. i'm -- i think that in so many ways, this is -- i was going to say i think she's terrific but that sounds too easy. i think to watch what has happened with her from the good days and the difficult days in the white house, and i interviewed her when her whole -- her whole health care plan went, you know, way down, and to see how she's grown and what she's accomplished, i think it's quite wonderful to see, and she may very well be the first female president of the united states. no small thing. >> two other names on your list that jumped out at me, one edward snowden who had a court in america venld kating what he did.
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do you think he's a hero, villain or both? >> that's what is so fascinating and depends what side you're on. look, whenever there is somebody whose a whistle blower people say isn't this great or one step before treason. the fact the supreme court said what they said, that's an enormous victory for him and i think history will have to wait to see whether he is that hero or that villain, but it is one of the most interesting cases we have had. you know, remember the pentagon papers? remember daniel ellsberg? he a hero? he not? that kind of controversy and this is the same valley. >> absolutely right. let's take a short break, barbara. we'll come back and talk about pope francis, certainly one of my people of the year as a catholic and other celebritiece kim kardashian and kanye west, a rare double there. let's discuss that after the
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a place where by doing nothing you can get so much. how to explain a beach hidden by the earth? some things can't be explained, you have to experience them. vallarta-nayarit, live it to believe it. you know you're a star when everybody talks about your hair. >> that was so bizarre. people were what was the weirdest thing about this? seeing my haircut on the news. >> were you a different person? >> i better be. i don't want to be the same person. i think everything happens for a reason, for a purpose. >> we start with faith first and drop down to family. >> wow.
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>> then we shoot ducks. [ laughter ] >> barbara walters reveals the ten most fascinating people of the year and back with me now. i want to talk about pope francis, this extraordinary man who today his 77th birthday today and chose to celebrate it with four homeless men he brought into the vatican and had tea with them to celebrate his birthday. another sign of his humility that captured the world's attention. what do you make of him? >> i should point out, as much as we would love to interview the pope, he has not done an interview. no pope in the past has done a television interview. if anybody does it, i think it would be pope francis because there is so much about him that's new and refreshing and i can imagine it happening. what i think people of any faith feel about him, of any religion is the fact that he seems so
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unjudge mental and the humility you talk about. he's an extremely engaging and quite delightful pope, and of course, if you're a catholic and it is also your faith, he's a wonderful spiritual leader. so, everyone though i couldn't interview him, he certainly had to be on our list. >> he also made another list, which he made the cover of advocate magazine, the gay magazine, they made him man of the year. extraordinary achievement for a pope like francis but he did it because of his non-judge mental comments about gays and gay marriage. is that a sign, do you think, of a whole new catholic church going forward? >> it's a sign of some changes in the catholic church. there is still a lot of people that are still disputing whether
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se celibacy is there. he literally opened his arms and says it doesn't matter what your sexuality is, that's not my business. that's what he said. he didn't come out and say i'm for it, i'm against it, it's a good thing, get married, he just said that's not my business. and i think that was an enormously important and refrerirefre refreshing. it's a very big step from the pope. >> completely agree. on the celebrity front. i love jennifer lawrence, too, she's a breath of fresh air. brilliant, charming to talk to. what did you make of her? >> first of automatic, she said i don't know what is going to come out of my mouth. if somebody says i don't know what you're going to say. you say whoopee what a great interview. i don't mean whoopee goldberg. it means hooray, something is going to say something new and refreshing. what i liked about her, it's the
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very thing she's complaining about is that she is normal. she is refreshing. she's young. she's trying to find her way. she's 23 years old and just won an oscar and has all kinds of new pictures coming out, which are getting huge acclaim and she's a delight to talk to. not every celebrity, as you know, is a pleasure to speak to. not when they are young. i don't want to answer this and i don't want to answer that. that's their right. with her, she said okay, i'll do an interview, you ask me the questions, i'm going to give you the answers. >> you got a couple in there, kim kardashian and kanye west. are you a fan of theirs? >> i'm a fan of both of theirs. look, kim does not expect to be the brain trust of the world, but she is hardly a dumb girl, and she handles herself well. she's beautiful. she's entertaining. that's why she does. you know, there was a song --
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did you ever see a show called the funny thing happened in the white of the forum? i'm -- >> i did. >> do you remember there was one of the characters was this beautiful, beautiful girl and they said what do you do? >> she said. ♪ i'm lovely, answer litely lovely just by being lovely, that's what i do ♪ . kim kardashian. okay? kanye, he's an enormous talent. >> are you laughing with me or at me? >> i'm with you. you've been squawking like a duck, doing impressions -- i'm seeing a new stand up career. >> he's a huge edgy talent and when they are together, an attractive and exciting young couple, so why not? good for them. >> i agree. i like kim kardashian and kanye,
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if you're a genius, you can do what the hell you like because that's the part of being a gin use. how you select people, sometimes you choose controversial people, people that are divisive and unpopular in some cases. what is your criteria -- >> i like controversial, i don't mind unpopular but i don't like criminals. i want a cliff hanger, can you give me a tiny clue who is number one? >> no, i cannot give you a tiny clue who is number one. i want you to watch -- >> thank you very much, barbara. >> i want you to watch and call me up and say hey, what a great choice. >> okay. i knew you wouldn't. just testing the waters, see if you lost any on your strength of character and clearly you haven't. when we come back, highlights of your extraordinary career. in the meantime, do you remember what you told me the last time i asked you about retirement. take a look. >> of course i'm going to
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barbara walters is back with me. such a stellar career. i want to go into the ten most fascinating questions. i want to put you on the spot and put ten fascinating questions into the most fascinating questioner in the business, and i want you to be
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quite quick with the answer. we'll rapid fire it. what has been your most memorable interview, the one you would repeat again if you had the chance tomorrow? >> monica. >> what has been the most fun? >> the most fun? isn't it awful. i'm going to have to pass that. i can't think of -- i'll think of it later, which is the most fun. comedians aren't the easiest -- >> what about hue jackman giving you a lap dance? >> that was pretty good. i love hue jack man. this is a man who can do the most serious, funny, he can sing. i think he's an enormous talent and the fact he did a lap dance, no small thing, hey. >> in 1977 you spent ten days traveling around mountains with fidel castro and held his gun in
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your lap and the wide spread rumors given how glamorous you were at the time there may have been a little fling between you. any truth between that? >> oh, please. as i said to people, if walter cronkite had interviewed margaret thatcher, would you have said obviously there is hanky-panky. i spent a lot of time with fidel castro. i found him fascinating. but no, there was -- there wasn't even flirtation. i -- i thought that he was the most interesting man. all the things he did that were really quite terrible, but we did spend a good deal of time together, would not have happ happened today. i wish we could do another interview but i think he's beyond that stage. >> number four, were you ever embarrassed in an interview? do you have a moment you look back and go, oh, no? >> yeah, i do should have, could
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have, would have. why didn't sky that? why did i ask that? i know sometimes it boarders on going too far, but i try not to hurt. i'm not a cruel person, and there are ways of getting answers without just going boom. you can say what's the biggest misconception about you? you can start a question by saying, you know, there are those who say and you can get away with asking certain things. i'm not cruel. i feel differently, by the way, piers, about politicians. i am much more daring with a politician than i am with a celebrity. they are doing me a favor, the celebrity. >> number five, who would you most like to interview, you've never been able to get to? >> the pope has never done an interview, queen elizabeth has never done an interview and whoever is on the news at that moment, right now, tonight, edward snowden. >> number six, if there was a
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movie of your life, which actress would you like to play you? >> which actress would i like to play me? someone young and beautiful. >> jennifer laurence. >> jennifer lawrence. >> she would have -- makes a great talent and a little since of mischief. she's a naughty girl like you. >> i wouldn't mind that at automatic, that would be real good. >> number seven, if you could invite three people from all the people you interviewed to a dream dinner party, who would you go for? >> let me see who we're talking about. three people, i -- i would like to have -- does it have to be someone i interviewed? otherwise i would like to have the pope. >> the pope. >> we have the pope. you know, it's almost too big. if you ask me about people in history, i would like to have jesus, you know. >> the pope and jesus, an amazing combination.
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>> they would have a lot in common for heaven's sakes. >> who is the greatest celebrity you ever met? >> i'm not good at the biggest or the worst or the -- you know, i remember an interview that i did with client east wood. it's the only time i got so embarrassed i had to stop tape. i started asking a question and he started to flirt with me, this was a little while back and i fell apart. i said stop tape. i was a giggling silly girl. >> if i could drop you in an island -- >> must we do best and best and worst and worst -- if you drop me in a desert island what. >> this is a great question for you. >> desert island. >> i got a very specific three questions. >> okay. >> which book would you take to read? which piece of music would you listen to? and what which man would you have to accompany you? >> bay toefen because it would
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get me out of my depression to hear that. what was the other, which book? i never read the bible, and i would be -- >> really? >> never have. i would read the bible. i've read different sections of it, but i've never read the whole bible, the desert island i would have to -- which man. >> piers, i'd like to have you in the desert island with me. >> i was hoping you would say that. >> if you believe that. [ laughter ] >> if you believe in santa claus. >> you look at me a mixture of tarz tarzan -- i wouldn't let you down. >> to spend days and weeks with you. >> number nine, barbara, of all the presidents you met and interviewed and partied with, who is the one you would most like to run the country ? >> i don't think there should be any one person that runs the country in perpetuity.
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there is one that runs in third term and we decide we didn't want that. >> final question, it's not a best or worst, more like you had such an extraordinary life and career and continuing into your retirement and i'm sure it will carry on after that. if you could relive one moment in your life, the moment that brought you the greatest satisfaction, thrill, sadness perhaps -- >> can i answer -- >> lead the moment -- >> can i tell you what i regret when you're talking that way? i regret not having more children. i would want a bigger family. i have one daughter. i don't have brothers and sisters. i had a sister i loved, and she was develop mentally challenged, i guess, is how they put it. i wish i had a bigger family. in terms of my career, beyond anything i expected, and i don't know exactly what it's going to
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be like when i stop working. i hope you'll ask me back, even when nobody else does. >> every week i'll have you back. don't you worry about that. >> you're very dear. >> barbara, it's been an absolute thrill to talk to you. it feels very strange for me to speak about retirement when it comes to you but thankfully, there is another great episode of ten most fascinating people, it area tomorrow night at abc. may long you reign your magty. tigfighting to keep a 13-year-old on life support after a routine operation went wrong. i'll talk to the heart broken mother.
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it's every parent's nightmare, a 13-year-old girl checks into the hospital to have her tonsils out, what procedure could be more routine. she's now on life support. joining me is her mother, uncle and the family's attorney. welcome to all of you.
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let me start with you niela. this is every parent's night mare vrmt i'm a father of four. they have many routine operations. what do you think happened here? any explanation for why your daughter just had her touins ls out and is now lying in this terrible condition? >> i really don't know the reason why. i really don't know the reason what happened, but i know she bled a whole lot, and it took them a long time to call the doctor before -- it just took them a long time to call the doctor. i sat there and watched my daughter bleed out of mouth and nose, and finally when her -- sorry, i just think she bled too much. >> she then went into cardiac
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arrest, and she's been classified as brain-dead, but the hospital has been trying to put pressure on you to take her off the life support machine. you don't want to do that. tell me why you don't want to do that? >> i don't want to take my daughter off life support because i love my child, and i walked her into that hospital and she was perfectly fine. there was nothing wrong with her. she had no health problems. even when she got out of the surgery, i talked to her, and the only thing she said her throat hurt and that she wanted a pop sickle, when she got to icu everything went bad. i don't want her off life support because i really feel she can wake up. i feel like it's been a rough week for her, and if they give her some more time, she'll be able to wake up. >> amarie you're her uncle. it's obviously a complicated
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situation between the family's wishes and between what the medical experts believe to be the situation, and how they would normally act with this. they would say, i guess, that if jahi is medically brain-dead there is no hope of recovery, and there is a need to turn off the life support so they can examine her properly and get some explanation for what happened and the longer you leave that, the less chance of seeing what happened. what do you say as a family to that? >> as a family, our faith is so strong that we don't even think about the possibility of death. you're still talking about an autopsy and evidence, which means jahi is going to completely pass away. death is so far from our minds, and our faith is so strong, we don't even think about that. we were told today that, you
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know, right now everything that's gone wrong with her, that she's healing because she's on the ventlator. as i stated earlier, that's a good thing. she's healing. she's resting, and we believe with all the prayers from everyone around the world and the prayers with our family, that she will wake up because she will heal completely. >> christopher, you're an attorney, there's clearly a very complicated ethical legal dilemma here to be resolved. what is the legal position in terms of who has the final say what happens now to jahi? >> i think first, it's important to know jahi is a person and not evidence. that's troubling the family to classified her as evidence and to end life support so that they can find out what happened i think is accuse. the decision should lie with the parents. there is a bill of rights, patient rights in california that indicates the parents
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should have full opportunity to understand what all the choices are and make choices. the this hospital wants termine her life, they should go to court and get a judge, not pressure a parent to sign a document in the middle of the night or tell them at 8:30 tomorrow morning your child will be dying. >> we're heading towards christmas, it's obviously a huge time for all families in america, it seems to me, what you're hoping and praying for is some kind of christmas miracle. >> i am because i really do feel that she will wake up. i can't tell you if she'll wake up by christmas or before christmas but i'm looking for any kind of miracle for my child because i really need her at home. i have a really good daughter and she's a really big asset to the family, and i just couldn't see her not being at home. she has sisters and brothers, and the whole family loves her, and she does not deserve to be on a ventlator because she went
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in that hospital to get help, and they did not help her, so i'm just praying and asking everybody to just pray for her that she will get up. >> are you seeing any sign, niela, that she is aware of what is happening or can hear you or is reacting in any way, which might suggest that she is not as the hospital believed, brain-dead? >> well, i know when i touch her feet, i can take my fingernail and run it up her feet and she'll move them. the first time when i finally built up the courage to go see her, i leaned over in her ear and yelled jahi you need to wake up because we need to go home and she through her arms up in the air. they said that's reflexes, that's nerves. when i touch her, she's still warm, she's still soft and i kiss her and i can feel her,
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that she will wake up. i really do. i just feel like if we give her a chance and give her time, she'll wake up because i gave them time to operate on my child, and they messed up, so they need to give my child time to recoup rate. >> well, i don't think there will be a parent in america listening to what you said that doesn't have enormous sympathy for the plot you find yourself in and my very best wishes to you and to your family, and we'll be praying for jahi and as you say, miracles happen and i hope one happens to your daughter, i really do. thank you very much for joining me. >> thank you. >> thank you. it's a tragic story, a heart breaking ethical problem and joining me now is head of the division of medical ethics at nyu. heart breaking to hear any family talking in the way we heard jahi's family talk but at
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the same time there is an ethical dilemma here, how does it get resolved? it's an awful tragic situation. your heart has to go out to the mom and family. they had a healthy daughter, she went in for a minor procedure for sleep apnea and sadly she has died. when we hear that term brain death. sometimes people say is that really the same as being dead, it is. it's a different way to pronounce death than when you heart stops. if you brain stops functioning completely and you have that verified and they did at the hospital by independent doctors not taking care of her, the situation is one in which the legal right to stop is on the doctor eastsi's side. we don't treat the dead. even when the mother says please, give them a chance, death is that end point for treatment. they are going forward and trying to be toll rant, given the emotions and horrible outcome they had in this surgery, but i think the ethical dilemma points towards at some
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point we have to stop because sadly she has died. >> there is a statement i want to read from the children's hospital and research center oakland, december the 17th, 2013. our hearts go out to this patient and family. unfortunately, we have not been authorized to by the family to share information with the puck lib about this matter. consequently, we are not able to correct misconceptions created about this sad situation. we have been caring for children in this community for over 100 years and have a long standing commitment to delivering the highest quality care. no child should go in for a tonsil operation and be left like this. if she is, as you said, clinically dead, you can understand why the hospital wishes to proceed in the way they do but it's a horrible mess. thank you for joining me.
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how are you? >> a little testy i'm not in studio with you, piers. >> barbara felt the same way. i can't be with all of you at the same time. let's talk black on white santas because you're all buddies at fox news, megan kelly, bill o'reilly, getting adamant the fact santa claus is apparently white and there can be no argument and megan went further and said jesus was probably white, too. who what is your view? you tweeted the left now arguing santa claus can be black or white, obama already proved that, what does that mean? >> it's a joke, piers. obama gives lots of stuff away like the obamacare phone and health care benefits. but, no, i'm not -- i don't know if you know this, piers, but a lot of the santas you see at department stores, those are fakes, but i met the real santa claus, and he is white. >> yeah, but let's be serious for a moment, isn't -- >> i am serious. >> i know, but isn't it a
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slightly rather unpleasant under tone to this -- >> no. >> telling all the kids in america that santa has to be white? if you're in a black family, and the dad in the family, as many dads do in america, dresses up as santa claus and leaves the presents under the tree or whatever it may be and the kids see him, are they supposed to say no, no, no because fox tells me and an koulter and bill o'reilly tells me he has to be white? >> for one thing i suspect the children will recognize their own father. >> no, i didn't recognize high own dad -- >> bill o'reilly -- miracle on >> he lives at the north pole. you go find black santa at the north pole. he's right, piers. as for jesus he was a real person. he was a ju. if you want -- a jew.
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so whatever color that is, he was jewish. >> so you are saying jesus christ is white as well? >> well, he's jewish. that's a fact. >> was he biwhite? >> i just said if jews are white. >> you just said he was jewish. is he white? fox has made it very clear. santa is white, jesus is white. >> he's not black. he's middle eastern. maybe he's or the of beige, piers. but he's jewish. >> do you feel uncomfortable with this debate? >> no, i think you're mad. >> the writers are there getting themselves into a bit of hot water over? >> no, i'm insanely jealous of megan kelly. i wish liberals would jump on me for saying so obvious. >> i think you can relax on that score. they jump on you morning, noon
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and night. >> not anymore. very sad. let's turn to the pope. rush limbaugh keeps whacking away at pope francis. like watching the devil incarnate take on mother theresa. but tell me why the right seem to have some big issue with a man who appears to be nonbigoted, incredibly humble, a force for good, somebody perhaps revolutionizing an anachronistic church, dragging them kicking and screaming into the real world. why would this enrage rush limbaugh? >> in rush limbaugh's case he thinks he is the pope so i can see why he'd be angry at it. but my own -- i'm not a catholic. but i would think the statement by the pope that i find most surprising was his statement that you don't have to be a christian to go to heaven. look, you may think that. maybe there are a lot of people who think that.
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but if you're head of the rnc you aren't supposed to be saying don't bother voting republican. that isn't supposed to be your position. that's the most surprising i guess except for the anti-papist crowd. >> or it could just be that he believes in open church, open christianity, all inclusive. they'll take anybody. unlike you lot that are so dogmatic that you have to be right of ghengis khan to be acceptable. >> if you're the head of the catholic church, join any church. you don't have to be a christian. maybe you could get a show on cnn but maybe you shouldn't be the head of the catholic church. >> now let's turn to something i know must seem line an early christmas present. president obama's approval ratings plummeting ever further. what is going on here an how does it end? >> manifestly because of obama care people are losing their
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health insurance. and health insurance premiums are going up. the big success story of obama care they're signing more and more people up to medicaid. that's more welfare. that's taking out of the system. that is not keeping the system afloat. i don't see any end in sight. people will discover they can't go to their doctors anymore. i know that's already happening. everyone in california with blue cross or blue shield, blue cross blue shield just pulled out of the entire state. that's a big state. so i don't see it stopping, particularly when perhaps you're not showing it a lot over here but i believe on as you call them my friends at fox news are going to keep playing obama saying if you like your doctor you can keep him period. if you like your health insurance you can keep it period that was a lie and people see that as a lie. no way it can be finessed by the media. >> astonishly think i agree with you. it was awful to stair at the american public collectively and
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tell complete porky pies. in terms of where this leaves the 2016 race, what do you think are going to be the key moments now in the next couple of years which can determine what type of republican candidate faces the final runoff and who might win >> it i have no idea who might win it. i keep meaning to post a column i wrote a few years ago looking at who the leading candidates were about 18 months before various other presidential elections. and they're always people who were never like in the final ten. it was before the 2000 election about 18 months before the 2000 election i remember this one. it was liddy dole. so it tends to be more name recognition now. but i kind of think we have some idea would they might be. i do think opposition to obama care and the ability to articulate opposition to obama care is going to be huge. it's going to be huge in next year's elections which are the senate elections as long as republicans don't blow it. and that's a big if.
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>> final question, ann coulter. have you bought a megamillions lottery ticket or you've already gotten megamillions from your ill-gotten gains. have you attempted to get down there and buy a ticket? >> if i had and i had won this would have been a much shorter segment, piers. >> well, ann coulter, i wish you a very happy christmas. i really do. you bring a certain je n je ne sais qou to this show and we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] you've got to try red lobster's four course seafood feast, just 15.99. start with soup, salad and cheddar bay biscuits
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